Comments on: Sonic The Hedgehog 4: Return to the Second Dimension http://Golgotron.com/2010/03/sonic-the-hedgehog-4-return-to-the-second-dimension/ Eat the Gtron, bitches! Wed, 08 Sep 2010 07:11:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Jorge! http://Golgotron.com/2010/03/sonic-the-hedgehog-4-return-to-the-second-dimension/#comment-590 Jorge! Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:27:08 +0000 http://golgotron.com/?p=4063#comment-590 Lol, sorry to say but about half the post DOES in fact sound like excuses for making silly comments, but that is beside the point. Whether or not you could or could not play genesis games or TG16 games or Neo games is not the point. Making comments for the sake of trolling and being offended when someone comments on it is silly. The point I am making is that, yes, you don't seem to know much about the Genesis. Yes it is a problem when you write about games. Yes this can be remedied. All you need to do is stop thinking "I didn't own a genesis because I couldn't afford it and it didn't have enough good games on it, and start thinking, "I didn't own a genesis and I may have missed out on a lot of good games. This is stuff I should know about because I love games." Maybe not as many as you had on your SNES, but I am not here to argue which system is better, I am just stating that making an uneducated comment on the value of a game company for the sake of being a cool internets troll is lame town. There are good games on pretty much every system and as someone who is willing to defend what he knows about games/games history/gaming culture, you should be willing to play or at the very least research stuff about games, even if it was on a system you didn't own, because you didn't have money, or you just don't like the system. Ultimately this isn't even about the Genesis anyway, it's about Sega and you saying fuck them. I asked for reasons and frankly they were really weak reasons. Keep in mind all I said was the word "Youth" and you got all up in arms about your awesome 26 years of playing games as long as you can remember. Then YOU brought up the Genesis and its apparent worthlessness, and Sega's inability to market the Dreamcast. So in fact YOU brought up what Sega has done in the field. Point is saying "fuck Sega" after all they have done for the industry is flat out silly. It is in fact, just Geoff trolling. I bit, just to see you defend your comment with a well thought out counter argument. I gave you all the reasons why I say Sega is good...Don't Fuck Sega. You say, you played some stuff at your friends houses, it wasn't all that good. Jorge is just trashing me because he played more Genesis games then me. Then go on about how I started all of this... Tsk tsk.. It's all fanboyism.... You're somewhat right. It is. I am a fan of games, so when you say any system is not worth your time, say this or that good company sucks, I will provide you with a counter argument. Because I played and still own all that respective systems/developers shit, and have the experience playing and researching their games to make educated comments about them. This is not in an attempt to belittle or mistreat you, but quite the contrary, if you, with your 26 years of experience came to the conclusion that Sega sucks, and I with my many years spent playing and researching games have come up with a radically different opinion, maybe there is an interesting conversation there. Maybe not in the sense that you will convince me to hate the genesis, but maybe I should play my snes some more, because apparently you know so much about it and it is all so good that playing the genesis seemed like a silly endevor in your opinion. SO yes, we're off on the wrong foot. I'm almost always right. Just kidding, but not really. Okay, yes I love to talk about games/game history/gaming culture and love to hear other peoples opinions on it, even if they don't have much to say. I think that I just come off like I am trying to be insulting when I am just being really sarcastic, I am in fact trying to gather game knowledge really aggressively and have fun while doing it. So no I was not being insulting and I apologize if I came off like that. Lol, sorry to say but about half the post DOES in fact sound like excuses for making silly comments, but that is beside the point. Whether or not you could or could not play genesis games or TG16 games or Neo games is not the point. Making comments for the sake of trolling and being offended when someone comments on it is silly. The point I am making is that, yes, you don’t seem to know much about the Genesis. Yes it is a problem when you write about games. Yes this can be remedied. All you need to do is stop thinking “I didn’t own a genesis because I couldn’t afford it and it didn’t have enough good games on it, and start thinking, “I didn’t own a genesis and I may have missed out on a lot of good games. This is stuff I should know about because I love games.” Maybe not as many as you had on your SNES, but I am not here to argue which system is better, I am just stating that making an uneducated comment on the value of a game company for the sake of being a cool internets troll is lame town. There are good games on pretty much every system and as someone who is willing to defend what he knows about games/games history/gaming culture, you should be willing to play or at the very least research stuff about games, even if it was on a system you didn’t own, because you didn’t have money, or you just don’t like the system. Ultimately this isn’t even about the Genesis anyway, it’s about Sega and you saying fuck them. I asked for reasons and frankly they were really weak reasons. Keep in mind all I said was the word “Youth” and you got all up in arms about your awesome 26 years of playing games as long as you can remember. Then YOU brought up the Genesis and its apparent worthlessness, and Sega’s inability to market the Dreamcast.

So in fact YOU brought up what Sega has done in the field.

Point is saying “fuck Sega” after all they have done for the industry is flat out silly. It is in fact, just Geoff trolling. I bit, just to see you defend your comment with a well thought out counter argument. I gave you all the reasons why I say Sega is good…Don’t Fuck Sega.

You say, you played some stuff at your friends houses, it wasn’t all that good. Jorge is just trashing me because he played more Genesis games then me. Then go on about how I started all of this… Tsk tsk.. It’s all fanboyism….

You’re somewhat right. It is. I am a fan of games, so when you say any system is not worth your time, say this or that good company sucks, I will provide you with a counter argument. Because I played and still own all that respective systems/developers shit, and have the experience playing and researching their games to make educated comments about them. This is not in an attempt to belittle or mistreat you, but quite the contrary, if you, with your 26 years of experience came to the conclusion that Sega sucks, and I with my many years spent playing and researching games have come up with a radically different opinion, maybe there is an interesting conversation there. Maybe not in the sense that you will convince me to hate the genesis, but maybe I should play my snes some more, because apparently you know so much about it and it is all so good that playing the genesis seemed like a silly endevor in your opinion.

SO yes, we’re off on the wrong foot. I’m almost always right.

Just kidding, but not really. Okay, yes I love to talk about games/game history/gaming culture and love to hear other peoples opinions on it, even if they don’t have much to say. I think that I just come off like I am trying to be insulting when I am just being really sarcastic, I am in fact trying to gather game knowledge really aggressively and have fun while doing it.

So no I was not being insulting and I apologize if I came off like that.

]]> By: Geeeoff http://Golgotron.com/2010/03/sonic-the-hedgehog-4-return-to-the-second-dimension/#comment-589 Geeeoff Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:32:02 +0000 http://golgotron.com/?p=4063#comment-589 Well, I'm definitely one who is open to new ideas. But, to assess that I know nothing about video games because I didn't own a Sega system is pretty fair to someone who does not know me at all. I was a kid growing up who didn't have a Sega system because I was poor. Both of the NES systems I had growing up were gifts from friends of our family who bought them for us. My parents couldn't justify buying another video game system for me when I already had one and because, quite frankly, they had zero money to do so. But, luckily for me, a good majority of my friends had Genesis and even some had the original Master System and in the little time I had played games on any of those systems (whether they were exclusive titles, or ones that were on the NES/SNES) I never found myself enjoying them as much. Now, does that mean that I've played every game on a Sega system under the sun? Absolutely not. It means that I was financially, never able to be exposed to the amount of games you were. But, I didn't blame my parents because I felt like what my systems offered me was more than enough for my entertainment. Until I got to a point in my life where I could buy my own systems, and now I have both a PS3 and an XBOX 360 to expand my horizons. The point I'm trying to make is that I didn't have a Sega because in the few times I played, it wasn't as much or more fun to me. So, maybe I should blame my friends for not having better games than Vectorman? No! I know, I should have made my parents buy me a Sega Genesis because I knew one day some dude on a video game website would trash me for not having played as many games as him! Nobody brought up what Sega "had done" for their field until you mentioned it. It would be hard to overstate what Sega has done for video gaming. Their systems, their leaps in technology, their innovation for a long time, appealed to a huge audience of gamers. They did a lot of things that are still done today, as well as created iconic characters, one of which is featured in this article. But ultimately their marketing and timing was flawed as a company otherwise they'd still be making consoles. Denying that would just make you a fan boy. Which, I'm okay with being a fan boy, because I am one. And, for the record, I've not owned a Nintendo home console past SNES, so I'm not a Nintendo homer. And, please, don't take this response as being some kind of "bawww for me, because I didn't have money to own a Sega system" kind of thing. But, don't tell me that I know nothing about games or game history, or game culture. Because, you may know a lot about your beloved Sega, but you don't know anything about me. But, seriously, Jorge, I hate that we've gotten off on the wrong foot. I feel like there is a huge misunderstanding and you're criticizing and judging me for my opinion on Sega which has nothing to do with you. I thought that's what this site was about. What I said about Sega was largely meant to be trolling, and it's obvious that I don't know nearly as much about them as you do. So, to that I apologize. Just the facts, here guys, from now on. Well, I’m definitely one who is open to new ideas. But, to assess that I know nothing about video games because I didn’t own a Sega system is pretty fair to someone who does not know me at all. I was a kid growing up who didn’t have a Sega system because I was poor. Both of the NES systems I had growing up were gifts from friends of our family who bought them for us. My parents couldn’t justify buying another video game system for me when I already had one and because, quite frankly, they had zero money to do so.
But, luckily for me, a good majority of my friends had Genesis and even some had the original Master System and in the little time I had played games on any of those systems (whether they were exclusive titles, or ones that were on the NES/SNES) I never found myself enjoying them as much. Now, does that mean that I’ve played every game on a Sega system under the sun? Absolutely not. It means that I was financially, never able to be exposed to the amount of games you were. But, I didn’t blame my parents because I felt like what my systems offered me was more than enough for my entertainment. Until I got to a point in my life where I could buy my own systems, and now I have both a PS3 and an XBOX 360 to expand my horizons.
The point I’m trying to make is that I didn’t have a Sega because in the few times I played, it wasn’t as much or more fun to me. So, maybe I should blame my friends for not having better games than Vectorman? No! I know, I should have made my parents buy me a Sega Genesis because I knew one day some dude on a video game website would trash me for not having played as many games as him!
Nobody brought up what Sega “had done” for their field until you mentioned it. It would be hard to overstate what Sega has done for video gaming. Their systems, their leaps in technology, their innovation for a long time, appealed to a huge audience of gamers. They did a lot of things that are still done today, as well as created iconic characters, one of which is featured in this article. But ultimately their marketing and timing was flawed as a company otherwise they’d still be making consoles. Denying that would just make you a fan boy. Which, I’m okay with being a fan boy, because I am one. And, for the record, I’ve not owned a Nintendo home console past SNES, so I’m not a Nintendo homer.
And, please, don’t take this response as being some kind of “bawww for me, because I didn’t have money to own a Sega system” kind of thing. But, don’t tell me that I know nothing about games or game history, or game culture. Because, you may know a lot about your beloved Sega, but you don’t know anything about me. But, seriously, Jorge, I hate that we’ve gotten off on the wrong foot. I feel like there is a huge misunderstanding and you’re criticizing and judging me for my opinion on Sega which has nothing to do with you. I thought that’s what this site was about. What I said about Sega was largely meant to be trolling, and it’s obvious that I don’t know nearly as much about them as you do. So, to that I apologize. Just the facts, here guys, from now on.

]]> By: JB http://Golgotron.com/2010/03/sonic-the-hedgehog-4-return-to-the-second-dimension/#comment-588 JB Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:08:54 +0000 http://golgotron.com/?p=4063#comment-588 you people sicken me, your judging a game that hasn't came out yet. AND FYI, Mario sucks, period. I'd rather see sonic turned into a werewolf and stuff like they have been doing than going back and playing Mario games. I have found that all the Mario games are repetitive and tedious to play. when I found out that some of the games were repeats and one was stolen from an old Japanese game called Doki Doki Panic( Mario Bros. 2) I burned all the Mario stuff I had. I was frustrated, then I found sonic. it was new and different every time you got a new game. and FYI again, tails is not the worst because he was an instant star due to his cuteness and ability to fly. so, back off my childhood favorite. I mean who wants to play as an Italian guy, trying to save a princess from a dragon thingy for 20 years? you would have to be brain dead and/ or special ed to play it. if you ask me, I think sonic 4 will be the best game this decade has ever seen. you people sicken me, your judging a game that hasn’t came out yet. AND FYI, Mario sucks, period. I’d rather see sonic turned into a werewolf and stuff like they have been doing than going back and playing Mario games. I have found that all the Mario games are repetitive and tedious to play. when I found out that some of the games were repeats and one was stolen from an old Japanese game called Doki Doki Panic( Mario Bros. 2) I burned all the Mario stuff I had. I was frustrated, then I found sonic. it was new and different every time you got a new game. and FYI again, tails is not the worst because he was an instant star due to his cuteness and ability to fly. so, back off my childhood favorite. I mean who wants to play as an Italian guy, trying to save a princess from a dragon thingy for 20 years? you would have to be brain dead and/ or special ed to play it. if you ask me, I think sonic 4 will be the best game this decade has ever seen.

]]> By: Jorge! http://Golgotron.com/2010/03/sonic-the-hedgehog-4-return-to-the-second-dimension/#comment-587 Jorge! Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:48:08 +0000 http://golgotron.com/?p=4063#comment-587 I have chortles! Certainly one may assess that for being 26 you indeed come off as somewhat "close minded". Assuming that any self respecting person would buy a system for 1 game is pretty silly, and lucky for you there many games that were quite fun on the Genesis. That being said, I could launch into a good 'ol internet list of reasons "Geeeoff should have played more games" for you, but I am sure that it would fall on deaf ears, as you are thoroughly convinced that the NES/SNES was indeed all one needed to have "fun". Onto the "Zero Respect" silliness, surly you jest... The Genesis was marketed just fine, it sold incredibly well in every major country and was doing great in Japan and had a very strong showing in the US. Oddly enough, the MegaDrive kicked ass in GB/Mexico/agentina/Brazil/Japan/Etc. Simply because many gamers in those countries grew up playing games in the arcade which Sega had such a huge stake in, and was able to make its system friendlier for developers to port games to it. Which leads me to... How can you not respect a company that has done so damn much for the medium of entertainment you like so much? You don't dislike a band that doesn't make it big but makes good music and drives a musical genre forward, or a director who directs great films but is not a household name. Yet you have "Zero Respect" for the company that pushed out new games and supported arcade culture well beyond its fall in the US (Sega is still supporting the dying arcade as we speak.). Which is the same company that brought online gaming to consoles, supported a failing color portable, backwards compatibility (Master System support on the Genesis, genesis on the nomad), non intrusive memory expansion for individual game support (xmen v street/alpha 3 mem expansion) and arguably the heaviest most dedicated support to dying systems. Sega had staying power when most other companies would have called it quits. They've given a lot to the industry and having "zero respect" just shows either A: how little you know of their contribution to the industry as a whole, or B: You know way more than I do and are able to push past all this great stuff they did for games and come to the conclusion that Sega sucks...Because of Moonwalker..And whatever other games you were to busy to play because you had a SNES... So the youth i talk about, in this instance, is your Game age. Like, how much you actually played and were exposed to, which, apparently, was cut in half because you missed out on what looks like over half of the 16-bit era, which is frankly quite sad. But hey, who the hell needs to know anything about games/games history/gaming culture to write about it huh? *jazz hands* I have chortles! Certainly one may assess that for being 26 you indeed come off as somewhat “close minded”. Assuming that any self respecting person would buy a system for 1 game is pretty silly, and lucky for you there many games that were quite fun on the Genesis. That being said, I could launch into a good ‘ol internet list of reasons “Geeeoff should have played more games” for you, but I am sure that it would fall on deaf ears, as you are thoroughly convinced that the NES/SNES was indeed all one needed to have “fun”.

Onto the “Zero Respect” silliness, surly you jest… The Genesis was marketed just fine, it sold incredibly well in every major country and was doing great in Japan and had a very strong showing in the US. Oddly enough, the MegaDrive kicked ass in GB/Mexico/agentina/Brazil/Japan/Etc. Simply because many gamers in those countries grew up playing games in the arcade which Sega had such a huge stake in, and was able to make its system friendlier for developers to port games to it.

Which leads me to… How can you not respect a company that has done so damn much for the medium of entertainment you like so much? You don’t dislike a band that doesn’t make it big but makes good music and drives a musical genre forward, or a director who directs great films but is not a household name. Yet you have “Zero Respect” for the company that pushed out new games and supported arcade culture well beyond its fall in the US (Sega is still supporting the dying arcade as we speak.). Which is the same company that brought online gaming to consoles, supported a failing color portable, backwards compatibility (Master System support on the Genesis, genesis on the nomad), non intrusive memory expansion for individual game support (xmen v street/alpha 3 mem expansion) and arguably the heaviest most dedicated support to dying systems. Sega had staying power when most other companies would have called it quits. They’ve given a lot to the industry and having “zero respect” just shows either A: how little you know of their contribution to the industry as a whole, or B: You know way more than I do and are able to push past all this great stuff they did for games and come to the conclusion that Sega sucks…Because of Moonwalker..And whatever other games you were to busy to play because you had a SNES…

So the youth i talk about, in this instance, is your Game age. Like, how much you actually played and were exposed to, which, apparently, was cut in half because you missed out on what looks like over half of the 16-bit era, which is frankly quite sad. But hey, who the hell needs to know anything about games/games history/gaming culture to write about it huh?

*jazz hands*

]]> By: Geeeoff http://Golgotron.com/2010/03/sonic-the-hedgehog-4-return-to-the-second-dimension/#comment-586 Geeeoff Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:36:24 +0000 http://golgotron.com/?p=4063#comment-586 Youth? Well, I'm 26 and have been playing videogames as long as I can remember. And, what I remember is not having a Genesis because I had everything I needed from an NES/SNES. Call me close minded, but there was not one single title on any Genesis platform that was worth owning ONLY that system for, in my opinion. Also, they earn a zero in the respect column for never being able to successfully market a system. The Dreamcast was the most underrated system in history, and now Sega is a struggling software company while Nintendo (try as they might to ruin videogames) have made the gaming console mainstream again. Sega put themselves in the ground and only survived as long as they did because they appealed to that kid who wanted to be "different." Sure, they had some gems and maybe even some "classics," but they also had Moonwalker. Youth? Well, I’m 26 and have been playing videogames as long as I can remember. And, what I remember is not having a Genesis because I had everything I needed from an NES/SNES. Call me close minded, but there was not one single title on any Genesis platform that was worth owning ONLY that system for, in my opinion. Also, they earn a zero in the respect column for never being able to successfully market a system. The Dreamcast was the most underrated system in history, and now Sega is a struggling software company while Nintendo (try as they might to ruin videogames) have made the gaming console mainstream again. Sega put themselves in the ground and only survived as long as they did because they appealed to that kid who wanted to be “different.” Sure, they had some gems and maybe even some “classics,” but they also had Moonwalker.

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